Monday, 23 May 2016

Points of Blue

Points of Blue, 17th May, 2016, Lass o’ Gowrie.

Acknowledgement but no response from club to previous minutes (22nd March 2016)

Points of Blue

Following the report of the government’s Expert Working Group on Football Supporter Ownership and Engagement, is the recommendation on supporter liaison precisely the role Points of Blue was fulfilling, viz. “meeting a representative group of supporters at least twice a year to discuss strategic / major issues”?  City led the way on this but other clubs now have better liaison (Liverpool and Chelsea were cited as examples). Online surveys / forums (City Voice) are not adequate alternatives.


“The Leagues will recommend that this representative group of supporters includes the club's Supporters Trust. The Leagues will advise clubs that no individuals should be excluded from the meetings without good reason, and, if attendances at these meetings is restricted to a small group of supporters – which is the preference of SD / FSF – a significant proportion of this representative group of supporters should be elected, selected or invited to these meetings in line with basic democratic principles.

“The Group recognises that there is not a 'one size fits all' approach to either clubs or Leagues and that the fans’ appetite for specific information, and to discuss specific issues will vary from club to club. Whilst SD and FSF believe these meetings would be most productive with a tighter, democratically elected representative group of supporters with an interest in strategic and governance issues, the PL and FL support clubs having the flexibility to invite a broad and open group of supporters.

“Senior representatives from the clubs - either club owners, directors and/or senior executive management - should represent the club at these meetings.”


Ticketing issues

Ticket office: general appreciation of improvements but some self-inflicted wounds (one technical, one policy, one a mistake): For Real Madrid at home the site crashing; offering seasoncard holders extra seats for Real Madrid home leg was silly (and those on Cup Scheme didn’t know); mistakenly offering a starting point of 10,000 points for Swansea away should have been picked up. 

Seasoncard renewal: some uncertainty among continuous direct debit users as to whether renewal was automatic – wording of information may need greater clarity, and more speedy confirmation of auto-renewal would assist.

Away ticket supply.  This has been a source of discontent, especially with the small allocation at Bournemouth. Fears that tickets to “partners” /”sponsors” may go straight to touts – do players return unwanted allocations? Official travel partners seem to offer tickets at an immediate mark-up. Supporters club allocations still an issue, especially if branches are getting tickets but have not been holding meetings.

Ticket pricing.  It was felt the PSG home leg prices were too high, and the club got lucky with the first leg result.

Away fans pricing. The Etihad has not been cheap for away fans (one of the dearest), so £30 maximum next season will help fill away end. At the Etihad and elsewhere, would home fans try to buy in away sections to save money? Will concessions still be available? (Swansea away was £45 but half price for concessions.)

Ground:

External catering wagons.  Are safety concerns in wet/windy conditions really a problem when they haven’t been before?

93:20 and other corporate sections. Empty seats even at the derby. Were we right about the expected take-up?

Wider issues:

Real Madrid away.  Has the club taken up with UEFA on fans’ behalf the behaviour of Spanish police?

Club for long-time supporters: has that idea died?

Last home match: not much to celebrate with CL qualification uncertain, not even the League Cup on display, youth teams no-one really wanted to see – no wonder the ground emptied before the team and manager finally re-appeared.

Public relations: assumed that the club’s policy is not to respond to opinion pieces but seek retractions for untruths. This may not be enough for hostile journalists like Mark Ogden. If it was thought that banning people would only increase the hostility, the hostility seems unabated anyway, so why not ban individuals “pour encourager les autres”?

Monday

Monday
I see de Gea’s bellyflop won save of the season. Fix. Joe’s at West Ham was miles better. At least he didn’t get the Golden glove thanks to Bournemouth’s late goal.
The rag farce continued at the swamp further to the bomb scare. Utter bollocks. Ground half full, 74,000 posted.
On the Tuesday night a few of us met at The Lass O’ Gowrie in town for a POB meeting. Minutes will be on the blog. The lack of response from the club is becoming alarming and insulting.
Wednesday it was the formality of Liverpool beating Sevilla in the Europa Cup Final, to gain entry to the Chimps league, and Milner, in particular being justified for leaving City plus Sterling being vilified for joining City, as even though he won the Capital One Cup he could have won the Europa league.
Ooops as it happens Yankeedoodledandydollarrich Liverpool failed to beat the team that City beat twice. Imagine if that had been the other way round, what would the likes of David Maddock in the Lpool/manumirror have made of it?
Watched the Scottish Cup Final, great stuff, and was pleased to see Hibs after all this time winning it. The looks on their fans faces at 2-1 down reminded me of us v QPR. No surprise that their fans ran on the pitch at the end. But the ensuing violence was disappointing to say the least. Surely those in charge should’ve anticipated the situation?
Rags won the Cup courtesy of Clattenburg, so back to normal.
Then it was England v Turkey at the Etihad. No publicity, no mention in the City programme. BBC announced it as being at Old Trafford, and ITV at Wembley.
It’s becoming even more  tedious now.
Why didn’t Kane do that with his penalty against us?
Over at ragland LVG is sacked and Jose is taking over. Why wasn't he appointed 3 seasons ago? That's one in the eye for all those who didn't want him then. "All for himself etc!!!!!"

Dave

Friday, 20 May 2016

Anti City bias

STEVE PARISH’S LETTER RECENTLY PRINTED IN WHEN SATURDAY COMES

Most fans think referees are biased against their team. Some think they don’t get a fair deal from TV coverage, but it’s rare for that bias to be openly admitted.
            When BT Sport covered Manchester City’s Champions League quarter-final victory over Paris Saint-Germain, Jake Humphrey told his summarisers that, having often been critical of City, “We should quite rightly praise City – hard as it is”. His after-the-event excuse was that he was inviting comment from Rio Ferdinand and Paul Scholes.
            That just points up how stupid it was to have “co-commentators” or “pundits” on the game who were naturally hostile to the only English team left in the competition. It’s not as if they are either articulate speakers or otherwise talented pundits able to put their own prejudice apart (Gary Neville managed it).
As Paul Scholes seemed keen to do as much damage to City as he tried to do to City players during Manchester derbies, it’s hard to argue that there is no anti-City bias.
Steve McManaman was on the BT team too. He played briefly for City, remembered mostly for being very good at pointing where the ball should go, but being useless when he got it. He spent a lot of the match looking for empty seats in a sell-out stadium (and found some in the corporate section). Missing from the line-up was Danny Mills, who for some reason is bitter about being paid by City for not playing during long injury breaks, and being useless when he did play. It seems to be a theme that the only ex-City players they can find have some sort of grudge against the club.
            All this may reflect the media generally where some of the coverage is barely disguised racism about the owners but most stems from the allegiances of reporters, noses put out by City’s “oil-fuelled” disruption of a cosy cartel. Even the FA tweeted congratulations to Liverpool on reaching the Europa League semis, but nothing the night before for City.
            But more worrying is the ubiquitous presence of David Gill at the FA and UEFA and FIFA. How can someone so connected with Manchester United, and still a director, not have a conflict of interest? Why does financial fair play deal with wealth but not debt, or football clubs incorporated in offshore tax havens, e.g. Manchester United in the Cayman Islands?
The European Assembly report a few years ago that supported FFP was gleefully picked up by the English press – but not the bit that said members of football’s ruling authorities should not also hold senior posts in a club.
Of course, this sort of paranoia about an “agenda” against one club, extending to refereeing decisions (hello, Mark Clattenburg) and hostility from the game’s governing bodies, may be a common experience – but that revelatory moment on BT Sport confirmed that indeed they are out to get us.

Wednesday, 18 May 2016

City and Seville

Didn't watch it - was there amention of City beating Sevilla twice???
Dave

Sevilla

No mention anywhere yet of City beating Sevilla 2-1 home and 3-1 away. Obviously saving it for the TV coverage later today.
Dave

Monday, 16 May 2016

monday

Monday
Swansea and after a few days with youngest daughter’s family in Newport parked up in Pizza Hut, had a snack and strolled to the ground, meeting up with the rest of the KK team. As for the game the least said the better, it just summed up our season. We’ll fight to the end? In our last six games we won one, lost two and drew three. Unimpressive but at least we scraped through into the Chimps league qualifiers, well it’s better than going to Oldham, Rochdale, Bury or Stockport, and losing!
So a decent drive home, listened to radio 2 news – bomb scare at O/T, Arsenal won, Spurs lost but no mention of City getting 4th place! No history?
Tonight it’s the Former Players ‘do’, and tomorrow night at 6.30pm it’s a Points of Blue meeting at the Lass O’ Gowrie.
Dave

Saturday, 14 May 2016

this could be the last time


Lovely here in S. Wales. Well done West Ham on Tuesday, but not their fans pre-match, though understandable?
That leaves us with just a point needed at Swansea, who’ve had a good end to the season, and can afford to rest a few players for the Euros. Let’s hope we take advantage, are not in Euro mood and can give Manuel a great send off, otherwise it could get nasty. Here’s the IAF extract from 233

38) SUNDAY MAY 15TH SWANSEA AWAY KO 3PM

No history - The Swans were formed in 1912 and have had a turbulent history, but are now established  in the Prem. Just the one trophy, League Cup in 2013.
Recent connection is Wilf Bony, Roy Paul, apart from Scott Sinclair. 28th League meeting.

Some celeb fans : Catherine Zeta Jones, Dylan Thomas RIP, Spencer Davis.

This season so far - They’re in 11th place with 46 points from 37 games and 8 wins 5 draws and 5 losses at home.
At The Etihad in December it was a 2-1 City win. Bony (yes him) opened in the 26th minute but Gomis whacked one in just before the end but Yaya miraculously swerved one in off Kelechi’s
back for 2-1. Crowd was 53,052 with 954 Jacks.
In the Capital One Cup they beat York 3-0 at home in the 2nd rd but went out 1-0 at Hull in the 3rd rd.
In the FA Cup they lost 2-3 at Oxford  in the 3rd rd.

Our form at Swansea - at the Liberty on our last away game of the season in May it was a 4-2 City win. We went 2-0 up through Toure (21) and Milner (36), but Sigurdsson (45) and Gomis (65) levelled it before Toure (74) and Bony (90 +2) secured all 3 points although Joe’s miraculous save at 3-2 helped somewhat. Crowd was 20, 669 with 1,870 Blues.
Last season’s win made it for City 2 wins, 1 draw and 1 loss in the last 4 visits ie WWDL

Comment - Last game of the season and it’s been a topsy turvy one for the Swans, with Garry Monk going and being replaced by Alan Curtis and Francesco Guidolin, the job promptly making him ill! Sigurdsson, Williams, and Fabianski seem to be missing, and Gomis is on the bench.
So much for it being a relaxing day out now  Swansea are safe as we need at least a point
to secure a top 4 place, and a draw could be good for both teams, though a win would be nice.

Groundwise - The Liberty Stadium - Capacity  20,500 (2,000 for City). We’ll be behind the goal in the usual spot.
Tickets : £45
Pubs/Parking - It’s a lovely part of the country close to The Gower, so well worth a weekend (if your daughter doesn’t live in not too far away Newport that is!)
Plenty of decent city centre pubs, and the ground is on a retail park so parking’s OK if you fancy a snack too.

WWTWTWShite - Averaged 3,367 in 1991/92 and this season it’s 20,682.
There’s only one City. Us. We were City long before them.
Sat Nav - SA1 2FA

Monday, 9 May 2016

Monday

Monday
Saturday night we met up in a Manchester hotel with City old boy Bill Leivers and his son Glen who’d come up from Truro for the game against Arsenal. We had an enjoyable evening chewing the fat on all things City, old and new.
Sunday dawned bright and breezy, and for a change it was pretty hot at Eastlands, before the ‘must win’ game against the Arse. Great atmosphere   went even better after Sergio’s goal, and then…….did that really happen – a simple defensive header under no pressure two minutes later nearly went into our net but to our great relief went out for a corner. Over it came and Giroud who always scores against us but hasn’t scored for weeks, headed in unchallenged. Do we ever learn?
Kelechi cocked one up and Bony hit the bar I thought we put in a decent shift and a draw would’ve been a decent result some weeks ago but not today.
We left earlyish to flog a few zines which was a big mistake as we just got grief for the front cover, one Blue throwing a punch at Sue’s fanzines. Well perhaps we should’ve been a bit cleverer with the front cover and despite Pellers’ legacy of probs the Europa league, it would’ve seen churlish not to thank him for the 3 trophies in 3 years.
So we’re relying on West Ham to get at least a draw v the rags then a point at Swansea, who’ve just hit top form will do.
Won’t it?

Dave

Friday, 6 May 2016

Friday night

Friday night
Well if ever we need a result after two dismal performances at Saints and Madrid it’s Sunday. By then the rags could be just a point behind us, so there can be no slip ups.
Here’s the it’s a fix extract from Kk233….


37) SUNDAY MAY 8TH ARSENAL HOME KO 4PM

No HistoryEver present in the top division since 1919 when they cheated their way up from division 2 finishing 5th, won f*ck all until they poached Herbie Chapman from Huddersfield, then 13 titles (1931 – 2004), though the swinging sixties passed them by as they won nothing in that decade, 12 FA Cups (1930 – 2015, last pot, 3-0 up v Villa who were denied 2 stonewall penalties) , 2 League Cups (1987 and 1993), UEFA Cup 1993/94, Inter City Cup 1969/70. Massive investment in the 1980’s, moved from Highbury to The Emirates in 2006.


Recent connections - Gael Clichy,   Samir Nasri, Bacary Sagna.
176th league meeting.

Some celeb fans - Bradley Walsh,  Piers twat Morgan, Johnny Rotten, Ray Davies, Roger Daltry, Colin Firth, Tony Hadley, Alan Davies, Joe Swift, Alistair McGowan, Jack Whitehall, KK subscribers Rog and Mo Hewlett

This season so far They’re in 3rd place with 67 points from 36 games and 8 wins 6 draws and 4 losses away from home.
At The Emirates in December Walcott (33) put them ahead and Giroud made it 2 just on half time. It took us until the 82nd minute before Yaya pulled one back but we couldn’t  find an equaliser. Crowd was 60, 053 with 2,939 Blues.
In the Capital One Cup they won 2-1 at Spurs in the 3rd rd, but went out 3-0 at Sheff Wed in the 4th rd.
In the Chimps League they played Dinamo Zagreb 3-0 H, 1-2 A; Bayern Munich 1-5 A, 2-0 H, Olympiakos 2-3 H, 3-0 A, but lost 2-0 H and 3-1 away to Barcelona.
In the FA Cup they beat Sunderland 3-1at home in the 3rd rd. Burnley 2-1 home in the 4th rd, Hull 4-0 away in the 5th rd after 0-0 at home but went out 2-1 to Watford at home in the 6th rd.

Our form at home v Arsenal - At The Etihad in January 2015 it was a 2-0 loss. They went ahead through Cazorla (24 dubious pen), and Giroud (67) finished us off. Crowd was 45, 596 with 2,617 Gooners.
Our form at home to Arsenal -  We had no prem lg wins until 07, since then we’ve had 4 wins 3 losses and 1 draw ie LWDWLWWLW

Comment - They ‘ve had the finger on us in the last two meetings,  with Welbeck, Walcott, Ozil (his eyes are offside according to Bournemouth fans!) Sanchez and co., but time for a change today. They always look like the real deal, but like us injuries have taken their toll, plus Wilshire’s antics off the field haven’t helped, and they‘ve had a few slip ups. They’ve faded away as usual, knives are out for Wenger, but are still in contention, and any result will be a bonus.

WWTWTWShite - Averaged 23,824 in 1985, and this season it’s 59,960.

Friday - just one little goal

Friday
Pep’s Bayern Munich  went out to Atletico Madrid, and just like Martinez in the FA Cup semi he was let down by a missed penalty. Can you blame the manager for that?
Wednesday night and all we needed was one little goal. Epic failure, and we gave the media all the ammunition they were desperate for.
David McDonnell in the manumirror revelled in using his favourite anti City descriptions – Sheik Mansour’s lavish investment, the abject Toure, and wretched Jesus Navas.
Liverpool went through to the Europa League final to face Sevilla who we had little trouble in despatching from the Chimps league.
So it was a learning curve for city. Utter bollocks.

Dave

Tuesday, 3 May 2016

Tuesday

36A) WEDNESDAY MAY 4TH CHIMPS LEAGUE S/F SECOND LEG REAL MADRID AWAY KO 7.45PM

Tonight it was Bayern 2 Atletico 1, so if we win through tomorrow night, we’ll face Atletico in  the San Siro. Sad for Pep.
Obviously we know all about the Santiego Bernabeu Stadium from our previous visit, and we know to be wary of the Spanish police this time. Revenge for Pellers being sacked in 2010? Tie is in the balance after the 0-0 at The Etihad. Real Madrid have just beaten Real Sociedad 1-0 with a goal from Gareth Bale and it’s very tight at the top of La Liga. They sit in 3rd place with 84 points from 36 games, 1 point behind Atletico and Barca with 26 wins, 6 draws and 4 losses, and 2 games to go.
We know all about them, pretty well, Bale, Modric and Ronaldo. We need to score, c’mon boys , make up for Saturday and do us proud.

Dave

PS

PS -Forgot to mention that Gary Lineker was spotted going into the toilets at Cherwell Valley services on the way home, not by me, but would have shouted “you looking for a P Gary” if I’d seen him!
Dave

Monday, 2 May 2016

Sunday

Monday
Saints away and a reasonable time to set off in the Tom-mobile for the 4.30pm kick off. A34 closed so we had a pleasant diversion through the dreaming spires of Oxford. Seemed strange to reflect then on the time we won here 4-2 and in the park behind the away end the police lined up in their riot gear.
Arrived at Southampton in plenty of time for a snack and chat with Cheesy on Radio Manchester who advised the team. About what I thought. Pellers putting all his eggs in the Chimps league basket, banking on us beating Arsenal and Swansea to take 3rd or 4th place.
Rags drew with Leicester so only 4 points clear and they have a game in hand.
Saints cup winning team (1-0 over rags) of 1976 wheeled out, and let’s hope 1976 is repeated with us winning the league cup and the rags losing the FA Cup Final.
Needless to say we were dreadful, Saints racing into a 2 goal lead after Raheem missed yet another sitter and our defence fell asleep twice. Kelechi gave us a bit of hope but it was soon 4-1, though Kelechi, again, scored a beauty for 4-2.
Good trip home, watched MOTD 2 and thought Kelechi might have got some credit, but no, he’s not Rashford after all.
Watched Burnley get promoted today and was reminded that 56 years ago to the day they won the title at Maine Road beating City 2-1. Crowd was, from memory, 65,981 – and I was the one!
Tonight Leicester could clinch the title if Spurs don’t win at Chelsea. Many a slip though…..oh and Ronaldo’s fit for Wednesday so it looks like goodnight Vienna, hope not.
Dave

Saturday, 30 April 2016

Saurday

Saturday, and a win over Norwich by Arsenal puts them a place above us.
Silly that the game is on Sunday last thing and you can’t blame Pellers for picking a changed team, which he surely will.
But we do need a win and confidence booster before Wednesday……

36)  SUNDAY MAY 1st SAINTS AWAY KO 4.30PM
Congratulations to Grandson Joe on his 18th birthday, and a great time was had by all.

No History - Formed in the 1880’s and were a second and third division club but made it to the first division in 1966, and won the Cup in 1976 beating the rags 1-0 but as a 2nd division club.
Ups and downs since then but eventually bouncing back and establishing themselves in the Prem, despite the continual raping of their best players.
76th League meeting

Ronald Koeman said some naughty things about the rags before Barca’s Cup Winners’ Cup game in 1991, but has said nice things about Pep Guardiola recently.

Recent connections, you have to go back as far as probably Alan Ball and Graham Baker. So you can’t say that we, unlike others, have raped and pillaged the Saints.
Lallana, Lambert, Lovren, and Clyne went to Liverpool,  Shaw, and Schneiderlin to the rags, Walcott, Oxley-Chamberlain, and Chambers to Arsenal, Bertrand to Chelsea, and Bale and Pochettino to Spurs.

Some celeb fans - Craig David, David Gower, Fiona Phillips, Holly Valance

This season so far - They’re in 8th place with 54 points from 35 games with 9 wins 3 draws and 5 losses at home.
At The  Etihad in November it was a 3-1 City win. De Bruyne (9) opened and Delph (29) added the second. Long (49) pulled one back but Kolarov (69) made the points safe. Crowd was 54,102 with 1,502 Saints.
In the Capital One Cup they beat MK Dons away 6-0 in the 3rd rd, then Villa 2-1 at home in the 4th rd but lost 6-1 at home to Liverpool (who lost to us in the Final) in the Q/F.
In the Europa Cup they beast Vitesse Arnham 2-0 home and 3-0 away but went out to FC Midtjylland 1-1 home and 0-1 away, probably a blessing in disguise!
In the F A Cup they lost 2-1 at home to Palace in the 3rd rd.

Our form at St Mary’s – last season  in November it was a 3-0 City win. Goals came from Toure (51) Lampard (80) and Clichy (90). Sergio was booked by the referee for being fouled in the box, Mangala was sent off and Vinny got himself injured celebrating Gael’s goal. Crowd was 30,919 with 2,489 Blues.
Form at Saints : Last season’s win made it for City, 5 wins, 4 draws and only 2 losses in the last 11 games ie -  WDLDWLWDDWW

Comment - Making another good fist of it, despite losing key players and having decisions go against them, except when they play us of course!.
Plenty of danger up front with Pelle and Mane mean we will have to be on our toes. Forster or Joe? We’ll see. At least they won’t park the bus, probably, so an exciting open game is anticipated.

Groundwise - St. Mary’s capacity : 32,690 (2,500 for City) LHS stand behind the goal for Blues
Tickets: Half price - £21/20/18.50/17.50

WWTWTWshite- Averaged 11,612 in 1955/56
and this season it’s 27,519.